Wizard Wednesday Episode 57 Transcription

Wizard Wednesday - Ep. 57 - September 28th, 2022

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Elf: [00:00:00] It is Wednesday. We are wizards

Lachness: and it

Elf: is Wizard Wednesday channeling in with quantum style through

Lachness: the quantum Browns. This is El end.

Elf: Hello? There he is.

Bearsnake: Sorry. I was just dancing to the music so I couldn't accept my, uh, my invite

Elf: up to the stage. Yeah. Doda, what is this music? This is when you're smiling

Dotta: by the Blue Vipers of Brooklyn, uh, jazz Standard.

Elf: It's, it's great. Doda. You are so much more knowledgeable about music for than I am, and yet I've been in charge of the intro music for like almost

Dotta: a year now. Yeah, it's good to mix it up. It's good to mix it up. There's a lot of different, uh, beautiful music out

Elf: there. Just,

Bearsnake: just, just wait, just wait until you pass the baton to me.

We're gonna listen to some death metal.

Dotta: Perfect.

Elf: Perfect. Awesome. [00:01:00] Um, okay. Welcome everybody. We have a really big show today. We're gonna dive into a, uh, media critique of Rings of Power and House of the Dragon. Um, but, uh, first I wanna just give some updates and answer, uh, questions from the cult. Um, uh, Doda d do you have a Dow update

Dotta: actually?

Yeah. So the Dow update is we are very, very close. Um, you know, we were almost, we were trying to get the legal in order by September. Um, we've just had a couple more forms sent back our way. One of them I actually just sent back within the hour. Um, so yeah, we're close. The, the tar we're on target to have it set up formally in October.

Um, so we're super close there.

Bearsnake: I can't wait. I can't wait for, uh, [00:02:00] For some of that wants to be deployed and there's so many great proposals and you

Dotta: wouldn't, things that have already been green lit, you wouldn't even believe how much work it is. And really, kudos goes out to Reptar jitsu, retired yield farmer, slick chick, um, and just so many people in the, in the Dow have like contributed to kind of beginning this paperwork in order.

And like, it's crazy. We're like working on it every single week, some of the like, best people in the community. And it's like still taking us this long. Geez. So at the end we're going to have kind of, you know, a, a watertight, uh, a Dow, you know, which is really important, right? We all saw, um, last week was it, um, there was, you know, basically there was a, uh, ook Doo, right?

So the C ftc, they um, actually they find Ook Doo, right? Because they didn't like, um, that they were doing basically options on chain, you know? Uh, I think it was like leverage, leverage on chain. And, um, but [00:03:00] then they went even farther to like, individually kind of prosecute. Um, all of the people who voted in governance because they didn't have a formal structure in place.

They basically said that anyone who voted in governance was this sort of like unincorporated partner. And then it's like, like basically, you know, if you don't show up to court in like California or something, when they do it, then you like lose automatically. So it's this like, really, well one, it's like complete judicial overreach from the cftc, but.

At the same time as an individual, it's really, um, scary that you might like vote in something and then all of a sudden you're like liable just cuz you own these tokens, right? Or, and like, maybe you have no consequences, but like, just having to deal with it could be like very expensive. So all that to say, um, everything that we are putting in place, we have, uh, some of the best counsel in the world.

We have all of our like, paperwork and order. So, uh, you know, we should have that kind of really buttoned up by, by the end of October.

Bearsnake: Thank you Doda. Thank you to the [00:04:00] House of Wizards.

Elf: Yep. Yep. Okay, next question. Uh, I saw a question about the book of lore. Someone was asking if the archive feature is live.

Uh, yeah. Apparently Nissy just without even me knowing, just like totally implemented that. Um, so the archive feature is working in the book of lore. Um, if you don't know what that is, so it's, you know, it's kind of a. It, it was really a pretty big deal, like deciding to do it, whether or not to do it, and then actually doing it.

It's um, it's basically this, this idea that, uh, you know, you own a wizard or a warrior and you can write that character's lore. Um, but if you sell that character, the lore obviously travels with it, uh, to the new owner. And so now this new owner, um, will have, uh, Laura already attached to that character. So the question is like, should that board play forever?

Uh, should the owner be able to just totally delete it or is there a good third [00:05:00] option where they can archive it? Um, and we settled on the archive feature and, uh, that is actually, uh, live in the book of lore, uh, at this moment. Um, As for future developments for the Book of Lore, you know, it's, it's always growing, it's always expanding, it's always, uh, being, uh, developed for.

And so, yeah, I mean, I think do and I both, well really everyone wants, uh, just, we want it to be easier to use. We wanna improve the ui, the ux. Um, we wanna make it easier to just edit and write. Uh, so, so those are sort of the next things we wanna do with the book of lore.

Dotta: Yeah, the book of lore, you know, uh, I think, uh, who was it?

Someone mentioned it even this morning, which was that like the, the ergonomics of it being this like book format is fun and cute, but kind of hard to use. And so the book of lore needs like an overhaul. The font needs to be more readable. The, um, it needs to [00:06:00] have like more discovery ui, right? In terms of like, yep.

Curated lore, popular lore. Um, and those are i'll, those are, I just think are like requirements. There's like, just make it easier to use. Yep. And then, And then from there, I think that there's like a lot of things that we talk a lot about internally, which is like, how do we better deal with lore that involves multiple characters?

How do we better deal with lore for the whole world? How do we better, how do we like, encourage more long form lore? And that doesn't mean that you have to like write a novel, right? Like, are there tools that we could build around like, um, you know, making comics or making maps or like being able to have this kind of like structured storytelling or screenplays or like structured format, um, that makes it easy to kind of like, not fill in the blanks, but at least like not be staring at a blank page.

And so, um, I think that's something we're really gonna work on this year is, is, is, is thinking about how to do longer form storytelling. Because, you know, we're working on main threads [00:07:00] through all the things we talk about every week, but, um, you know, the, the community has to be able to tell their own main threads.

And the book of law is like, you know, the one, but there's more that we can do.

Elf: Yep. Um, and then, uh, Emma was asking about, uh, i r l parties, uh, which I feel like Emma asked this every week, and we don't have anything planned like at the moment, but damn, Emma, I wish you would've been at the, the NYC N F T party.

Uh, that was, uh, legendary. Um, it was fun. So, yeah, that, that's all we have, uh, for now. Um, and then Emma also asked, uh, what I personally was working on. Um, I am working on the Halloween event that we have coming up, uh, which I think we're gonna announce more in detail, uh, uh, next week. But Doda, do you wanna say, say anything about it right now?

Yes.

Dotta: But, but, but we've talked about it and we [00:08:00] said, oh, let's talk about it next week. And I, so I have to sit here and so I have so much, I wanna say, I wanna spill all the beans a hundred percent, but you're gonna have to come back next week. Um, what I can tell you is that, like, so I, you know, I was realizing I'm like, tweeted so much, um, or just, uh, we, I've been coding, I've been so deep in code.

Um, we're doing an, an event for Halloween and we're doing an event, um, shortly thereafter, and we've just been like, yeah. Coding and painting and, um, the whole team's been wor pulling really hard. Um, and I think everyone's gonna love it, but let's give, let's build the beans next

Elf: week. Yep. Yep. Yeah. You, you said something that, uh, triggered a thought in my head.

The whole team has been working really hard. Um, Um, side note, our team is just awesome. I, I was telling Bardot just the other day that I just feel like we are firing on all cylinders right now. We've got the 3D team just kicking ass. We've got, so [00:09:00] the, a couple people on our team who are just doing dev work that are kicking ass, uh, the Halloween event is kicking ass.

We've got a mini game in the works that's just really coming along. Um, it's just, yeah, we've got social, social and community

Dotta: team is like really working hard to put everything

Elf: together.

Lachness: Comic books, uh, comic

Bearsnake: books, um, publishing, physical items, tpd, uh, the TV show, like all these, like, it's like, you know, a lot of people talk about, oh, like the bear markets for building.

And I think a lot of people just say that to like, for whatever reason they may have. But like, it really feels like we're taking the opportunity just to

Lachness: bill, which

Dotta: is great. Yeah, I think that like, I don't know how other projects do it, but like at Magic Machine there's 13 of us who, b who have like a full-time job who are just like working all day, every day, all week, just to like build on wizards.

And so yeah, the, there's, [00:10:00] there's a team. So we now have three people working full-time on 3D models,

Elf: right? Yep.

Dotta: Um, I think we have 1, 2, 3, 4 developers. Um, yeah. So we're just, and it just feels like we're all getting et cetera and we're all getting like very coherent as a team, getting better, organizing, prioritizing, and there's just an infinite amount of things we want to build.

And so just taking 'em one at a

Elf: time. Yep. It is a well-oiled magic machine. Um, we also have, uh, the sold walk

Lachness: cycles.

Elf: Um, I'm gonna say they're almost done. Nice. And I mean, I say almost, and it might still be like another week or two, but, but they, I mean, it's, it's almost done. And um, you know, it's been a long time coming and, uh, like not only are these almost done, but you will be able to actually use these walk cycles in a thing.

Um, that's all I'm gonna say now. [00:11:00] Uh, and then another update. Someone asked about the comic. Um, so yeah, so, uh, issue one is, uh, we are, we already did issue zero. Okay. So issue one is, is still being drawn and colored. Um, and then issue two and three are in the writing stages. Um, issue two is probably almost totally written.

Um, and then I just got a draft for number three the other day. So yeah, the comic is well on its way. Um, anything you wanna say about that Bardo?

Lachness: Um, gosh,

Bearsnake: uh, I think there, yeah, again, there'll be. Web three moves faster than every other industry that we work with. So, uh, I probably, you know, sound like I'm repeating myself, but we have some really cool distributor news that should be coming up soon about, uh, people that are gonna help us get the, the comic book out in a really awesome way.

Um, so that's exciting.

Elf: Yep. Yeah. [00:12:00] And, and I also wanna say that issues two and three, uh, deal with, uh, different characters from issues Zero and one. Um, so, so yeah. Uh, and then, uh, finally, I wanna say speaking of comics, um, so, uh, cult members, uh, artsy and Daniela Elra, I think we announced this last week or maybe the week before, they are making a comic and they are asking for cult members to, um, volunteer to have their wizards appear in this comic.

And artsy just dmd me and said, there's like 65 characters already signed up, which is amazing. Um, and apparently, uh, there's still time to get yours in. I, I think artsy told me that the deadline is next Wizard Wednesday. So if you want your character to appear in this comic, uh, just DM, artsy. Um, okay. I think that's all the [00:13:00] updates that I have.

Uh, donor Bear. Any updates from you guys?

Dotta: No, I'm just like coding, coding, coding every day.

Bearsnake: Day. Coding Doda is different than

Dotta: other kind. Yeah, there's like high level like executive, you know, I like think about big ideas, make big plans, formulate theories about the world, make tweet storms. Like I'm very like, deliberate about like the big picture and what I'm doing five years, 10 years out.

And then there's like coding data who's just like, um, you know, writing unit tests and solidity functions and like, yeah. I can't think five minutes beyond my own faith. So you get coding do

Bearsnake: today? Yeah. And then codings also, like, I need four hour periods where I can't be bothered. Yeah. And then, and then I send them really annoying dms just to, just to mess with

Elf: them.

Yeah. Yeah. Don't message

Dotta: me. Don't invite me to a meeting. Don't [00:14:00] talk to me. Don't ask me to fill out legal forms for the Dow

Bearsnake: that was specific. Yeah.

Elf: Awesome. Um, well, what did you guys do? Your homework? Let's, uh, let's talk rings of power and House of Dragon. What do you think? All right.

Dotta: Yeah, let's do it. And, uh, if anyone who has watched these uh, shows, please feel free to come up because, you know, you don't need to listen, just the three of us the whole time.

We'd love to have kind of more folks participate,

Elf: so yeah. Hundred percent. Ask to speak, please. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone's welcome to come up. Um, so, you know, I, I'm gonna give a few like, um, thoughts, uh, beforehand. Uh, you know, there, there's two, I guess, component ways that I'm sort of li There's two lenses through which I'm looking at these, uh, shows.

And, uh, one is, uh, It's, uh, believability in sci-fi and fantasy. And the reason this is important, um, [00:15:00] so, okay, so I've been reading this book about, uh, Miyazaki, the, uh, the like, sort of the genius behind the studio Ghibli, um, obviously a master storyteller, especially in the realm of fantasy and sci-fi and o One of the things that makes his his film so great is that it's, it's not so much in him creating these imaginal and fictional things, it's that he's making these ima imaginary and fictional things believable.

Um, he's, he's bringing this audience into this willing suspension of disbelief. Uh, and you know, it's, it's, it's not that you're making things realistic, it's that you're making things believable. And so an example is like, um, Well in, in Game of Thrones or House of Dragon, it's like the, the dragons are not real.

Everybody knows that. But the way they're depicted, it makes you think that they could be real. There's like believable traits, uh, and, and, [00:16:00] and they're depicted in a believable way. And so when you, when you take your elements of fantasy and you, you depict them in a believable way, it's, it's magical. It really brings the audience in.

Um, and so, you know, the, it's the believability, the angle that I wanna put on this. But then also there's the, um, just the, just the world building, uh, angle. Um, and you know, as I was thinking about this today, I sort of, I sort of defined like three types of world builders. There's the original creator, obviously, um, which let's just take, uh, Lord of the Rings, the original World builder is JR Tolkien.

And then there's the, um, the, what I'm calling the talented and faithful torch bearer, which would be like Peter Jackson when he did the Lord the Rings films. And then there's what I'm calling the, uh, the corporate hack with financial motives, and that would be Amazon. Um, and, and, and, but I think, I think Forgotten [00:17:00] Ruins is, is pioneering a fourth kind of world builder.

Um, and, and at the moment, I'm gonna call it the Living Avatar. Uh, this is the creator who is also the creation. Um, they literally own and embody the character that they develop for. Um, and, and you know, this type of, of, of world builder is. They, they, they create effortlessly. And, um, because they are the creation, they, uh, the art and the artist is one and the same.

Um, and this is why I believe anyone can create for forgotten ruins because you just have to be yourself and speak your truth. Um, but obviously that fourth type does not come into play with Lord of the Rings and rings of power. We're dealing with the first three. And so that's another lens that I wanna look at.

Lord, rings of power and, and, uh, house of Dragon with. Um, but yeah, I, I think let's start with rings of power. Uh, do bear or jitsu or locke, do you guys wanna [00:18:00] start, uh, with rings of power?

Not all

Lachness: at

Elf: once? Nope. Yes. I don't wanna, I don't, I can totally start you. Yeah, please. No, thank you. Appreciate

Lachness: it. But go ahead. Yeah, I more have like comments about like both of them and like how. How they're world building in different ways. Yeah. So we wanna start show specific, then we can, but I just have like an overarching sort of like, perspective.

I think that, yeah, go for it. Cool. Yeah, I think that rings of power is like visually captivating. I do think that it's a little bit of a long or slow burn, uh, just because there isn't, like, I don't feel like the character development is as strong as House of Dragons. Mm-hmm. Feel like House of Dragons is super intricate in storytelling.

Like you [00:19:00] feel a lot more emotionally connected to the characters, whereas rings of power. Um, in the first episode I felt very like, uh, connected to the main character, but I also feel like that is sort of like a cliche archetype. Um, Uh, like a, there are few cliche archetypes, um, in my opinion of ring rings of power, and I'm trying to like, walk on eggshells.

That's not to like spoil anything for anyone, but, um, I'm like captivated visually by rings of power so I can sit through it just because like some of the scenes are like absolutely gorgeous. Especially that, that like, uh, first scene where she's like creating that like, uh, that magical like paper swan.

Yep. Um, so I feel like emotionally I was set up for like House of Dragons energy, but that did not follow through. Whereas House of Drag and, and I feel like with rings of power [00:20:00] there are, uh, the moments of change are like, moments in when I become more invested in the show are like these overarching like, you know, um, Moments, whereas in House of Dragons, like episode to episode, um, there are these very small intricate moments that, um, aid to the world building, but also the character development.

Right, right.

Bearsnake: Yeah, it's, it's interesting you say that because for me, I, um, I'm like, I'm all caught up on rings, but I've been like stuck on the first episode of Dragons and I think it's because. I don't know if I've been distracted or like just, I feel like rings is a little bit more of a casual viewing experience, if that makes sense.

Yeah. Like I can kind of, I'm not like, like I feel like when you're watching dragons, you have to lean in, you have to pay attention to every single word spoken because there's gonna be [00:21:00] callbacks to those motivations and those like side conversations. And it just feels more matrix than layered. And, and, and so, I dunno, I think maybe just mentally I, I'm enjoying the lean back experience of rings,

Lachness: right?

Elf: Yep. Yep. I, I agree. It's, uh, yeah, for me, rings of power is a little bit more, uh, in the territory of mindless entertainment. Um, if, if, if you lower your expectations and treat it like a casual TV show, it's definitely watchable. There are moments that are very enjoyable, I think. Um, But, but it also feels like, like a TV executive's sanitized take on the source material.

Um, and, and it, but if you just accept that filter, then the show can be fairly amusing. Um, I, I find that the times that I enjoy it the most are when, uh, there's like direct references to Tolkien's Legendary. Um, [00:22:00] which basically just means I love it when they actually lean into Tolkien. And I don't love it when the executives try to create something new.

Um, and, but, but like, I'm, I'm trying to like, catch myself. I'm, I'm like, I'm constantly asking like, am I letting my love of the Tolkien cannon distract me from enjoying the show on its own merits? I think that's the question. Like every Tolkien fan has to ask themselves if they're gonna watch this show.

Mm-hmm. Um, you

Lachness: know, it's really difficult to like get over that cognitive bias because you could say the same for House of Dragons in terms of the fact that there's like so many little. Nuggets, um, from Game of Thrones.

Elf: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but I, as far as I know, and I could be wrong, I think House of Dragon is based and more faithfully follows, uh, the source material because Yeah, like Rings of power is totally based, apparently it's only based on the appendices in the Lord of the Rings.

It's not [00:23:00] based on the film Morillion, it's not based on Lord of the Rings. It's not based on the Hobbit, it's just the appendices, which is such little source material from which to create an entire TV show. Um, you know, and that's probably why everybody's saying this is not Tolkien at all, because it really isn't.

Um, but, but yeah, it's, uh, you know, I, I, if, if you forget about the books, I find that the scenes with like Elron and Durrin can be kind of fun. Um, I'm really intrigued by the man with the beard who fall from the sky and like trying to figure out who he is. Uh, the, the whole myth, real storyline is kind of interesting.

Um, it's, to me, it's, it's really kind of fun to see this, uh, no nomadic breed of hobbit, which is, uh, very unlike the homebody hobbits of the Shire. Um, you know, the, these are, these are kind of fun things that, that I'm kind of enjoying. Um, a another thing I'm noticing, and this is gonna [00:24:00] get very nerdy, but, uh, the, the, the very beginning, the, uh, the whole intro sequence, the whole title sequence to rings of power, um, I, I think I know what the symbolism is behind this.

Um, okay. This is gonna get super nerdy

Lachness: and more nerd, more nerdy.

Elf: Yeah. Yeah. In the telcom legend, legendary. Um, so all the gods who created like the whole world, uh, Tolkien describes this creation sequence as. Singing the world into existence. So there's like this musical element in the story of creation, and when you watch the intro sequence to rings of power, it's uh, clearly like music and sound that is forming these little, uh, grains of sand where it are areen, essentially components of of Earth.

Um, my guess is that is that's what they're trying to communicate, [00:25:00] uh, music, bringing this world and this story into existence. Um, so I don't know, I that was kind of cool. Um, you know, if, if you wanted to carry that further though, and this is again, gonna get even more nerdy. Um, the whole base conflict in Lord of the Rings is, uh, One of the gods, his name is Mor Goth.

Um, he's like, I don't know the, the, the Tolkien archetype of Satan. Um, Morgo does not want to sing with the rest of the gods. And so he causes discord. He sings his own song. And so he splits away from all these gods. And I'm gonna compare Mor Goth to Jeff Bezos. Um, Jeff Bezos wants to sing his own song and create his own Lord of the Rings.

Um, and that's why Rings of Power might feel a little discordant because Bezos has broken away [00:26:00] from, uh, the, the music of Tolkien. Um, so that's sort of my me take on what's happening here. Uh, But, but yeah. And then as far as the aesthetics is like, yeah, Locke, I totally agree with you. So many of the scenes are just beautiful.

It's just really, really well, uh, composed. Um, you know, you can tell a lot of, like artists who worked on this show really enjoyed what they were doing. Um, on the flip side though, I do feel like a lot of the CG is, uh, pretty apparent. Um, especially in terms of lighting and atmosphere. Uh, the lighting feels often very flat.

Um, especially in, uh, the, the scenes in Linden, there's j there's like no atmosphere at all. The forest feels like a stage. The lighting feels like stage lighting. Um, this, these are areas where I think the aesthetics really break [00:27:00] down and the whole artifice, uh, really shows through. And it takes me out of, it takes me out of the believability.

It takes me out of the world. Building the world just feels kind of artificial. The same can be said for the hair and the costumes. Like l Ron, your hair is too perfect, man. Um, you know,

Lachness: I agree a hundred percent. Yeah.

Elf: And, and, and even like the, the, the, the nomadic hobbits, like they should look very dirty.

And yet the little like, uh, plant ornaments they put in their hair is just like often. Mm-hmm. Way too perfect. It's too styled. They do not look like they belong to the earth. Yeah.

Lachness: I have a huge problem with the hair, but we won't go down that rabbit hole.

Elf: Yeah. But anyway, that, that's, those are my main takes on rings of power.

I'd love to hear bear don jitsu your takes.

Lachness: It's too glowy. I have this thing, whenever I watch shows that usually on A B C N, BBC or Prime television, I can tell within the first five minutes that I'm gonna enjoy the aesthetics [00:28:00] and where the depth of creativity is. And usually it falls flat every single time if it has that glowy effect.

Um, yeah, it's pretty accurate and it really drives me crazy. I'm, I'm a Game of Thrones Maxie, so I didn't, I've like actually dodged a new order that rings because I thought it was gonna be bad in general. Um, I've heard mixed reviews, so like, like you said, there's probably like a lot of fun within certain particular things, but like, I like to dive into my fantasy and like really pick it apart and have to watch it through.

And, you know, you know, what it comes down to is the characters in the g the Game of Thrones world are so motivated by certain things that you'd never seen Lord of the Rings. And I find it so enticing what they do to make decisions that you, you know what? They did really great that like, um, What the Rings does perfectly in their own way too, is which they had like the whole evil verse.

Good. And they created that over the course of ever many years, and it's been great. Fantastic. And we know, we know that line that's being crossed when it, when it happens with Game of Thrones. Everybody's a villain. [00:29:00] Everybody's a hero at any given point. And I, I adore that. Like that is something that I think is true character development and gives depth to this, not only scenery, but creativity of world too.

When people are doing things based off what is good for them and their family and friends around them, and that is why they make decisions. Um, and like, and then in Lord of the Rings, you kind of have the opposite, which is the true hero, the true villain. But it is motivated. But it's hard to believe that like someone does something right every single time when it comes to an important decision in a fantasy based world.

Right? So it's just like comparing apples and oranges. And I seem to really like the oranges that are over at Game of Thrones and has a dragon.

Elf: I, I totally feel you jsu. I I'm gonna do a big. Well, I have a lot, I have a lot to say about the characters of House of Drag and, and I you're definitely hitting on what I was gonna say, but, um, but yeah, I wanna hold on for just a sec.

It looks like, uh, big Bridge and Zales Soul. You guys came up. Uh, big Bridge. What's, what's up, man?

Lachness: Oh, hey guys. Thanks for hosting this super geeky [00:30:00] space. Uh, yeah, you need to, you're gonna need to stop me if I geek too hard right now. I've got kind of like a media, um, theory, uh, perspective on, on this, and it kind of clicked when you were giving your introduction.

Uh, so the main lens that I look at most media through these days is centralized versus decentralized, particularly because I feel really staked in the Web three community now. I, I'm always looking for that decentralized flavor to everything. So when it comes to the production of both Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones, they're both centralized around the creations of.

Very well established authors in the realm. George R. Martin Tolkien. Yep. And now we've, now we're experiencing these derivatives that are recreated by new authors and new creators. Yep. And so you're starting to decentralize from those [00:31:00] centralized works. So, you know, straight to Jitsu's last point, HBO has a brand built around no clear villains or heroes.

That's part of HBO's brand. If you watch The Wire, if you watch Sopranos, there's always dark. There's always light at the same time. So they capture that really well in, in, uh, game of Thrones and George r Martin's work. You know, if you read all his novels from the very beginning you're in, you're interested in all the characters cuz they have very human motives.

Um, so yeah, I think, uh, this is a great piece of homework to have for you guys'. Decentralized project collaboration with your main, your main, uh, uh, throughput and, uh, yeah. Thanks. That's, that's pretty much my, that's

Elf: my whole.

Dotta: That's one of the reasons why I love Ghibli movies, uh, versus let's say like Disney movies too.

You have this same dichotomy in terms of motivation where like in Disney movies, you know, you have, um, like Cinderella and you have like the Evil witch and sort of, [00:32:00] you have this like very clear, good versus evil. There's a good side, there's a bad side. Whereas with like Ghibli's movies, there's almost always like three different factions and they kind of change alliances throughout the movie.

So if you look at like Castle in the Sky, right, it opens up with, um, you know, the girl I think is like Sheah and Pasu. They're like running from the grandmother Dola, who's like, you know, like the mine cart scene where they're like, you know, she's got her crew and they're, um, you know, shooting after them on the mine carts and they're running away.

But then like by the end of the movie, they're allies against basically like a third enemy. And so, uh, yeah, I love that like, depth of character of, of what Jitsu was saying, which is around this idea that like, Each person's incentive is around like protecting themselves and their family. And that means like who you're allied with outside of that can shift, like during the progression of the story.

Elf: Absolutely. Uh, Zel. So what's up man?

Lachness: What's up? Um, yeah, so I've watched all of the Game of Thrones and I've been working on watching Lord of the Rings, but like my only [00:33:00] hangup is like, it kind of feels like a different world. It's a little foreign to like the kind of Tolkien we're used to as far as like the classic movies.

Like now they have these like new hobbits that are walking around that have like never been mentioned before and like they, the older Lord of the Rings. So, I don't know, it just, it just kind of feels like a different, you know, like narrative that's going on, I guess.

Elf: Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, a again, like the, these are based on the appendices in the Lord of the Rings, which is like, I don't know, like 12 pages maybe.

Um, and, and just to be fair, I, I do think the, uh, this particular breed of Hobbit, they're called stores, uh, is mentioned in the appendices. Um, if you allow me to nerd out for like a fifth time. Um, but, but, but yeah, it's, uh, or, or maybe it's har foot, somebody's correcting me in the, um, in the chat. I don't know.

But Tolkien does explicitly mention like three different types, distinct types of hobbits. [00:34:00] Um, but still, like, there's not much beyond that in the writers at Amazon certainly have to take a lot of creative license to sort of development, develop it, uh, with their own artistic license. Um, but yeah. So you're not, you're not digging it Zay.

Dotta: I mean,

Lachness: I'm, I'm working through it. I mean,

Dotta: it's too early to formulate like, like a, like a final opinion on it.

Lachness: But I mean, as far as like the token I grew up with, it just kind of feels a little foreign, you know what I mean? Um, yeah.

Dotta: Yeah. But I mean,

Lachness: like, there's still a lot of similarities equals to like the former shows that we're running and, um, yeah, they're both under different directors and things like that, so there's some compare and contrast there.

But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of feeling the Game of Thrones a lot more, but as far as the world building for, um, yeah, the Tolkien, it's, it's really cool cuz you get some really far out there things like you said, like the man falling from the sky. Some of these like, [00:35:00] new breeds of like races with Game of Thrones, it's, it seems a

Dotta: lot more like realistic.

Lachness: So I mean that's, that's really cool that they're able

Dotta: to do

Lachness: that. But you see a lot less of it

Elf: it seems. Right?

Lachness: Yeah. I feel like comparatively one. Show, like for me, rings of power is like, follow this journey. Whereas House of Dragon is like, choose your journey based on like whatever character you favor.

Elf: Um, yeah. Fun Bear. Uh, bear did you already, you said you've been watching, I guess you started this whole conversation. Um, uh, but yeah. Okay. Let me, uh, let's jump to House of Dragon. Um, so, I mean, again, it's a lot more source material to derive from. I, I think it's based on Fire and Blood, which is like an entire several hundred page novel.

Uh, so, you know, the writer's right off the bat just had a lot more source material to work with. Um, [00:36:00] the story in House of Dragon, what I'm finally realizing is that it's far, far simpler than Game of Thrones. Um, Because it's, it only deals with one family, the tars, whereas Game of Thrones dealt with families all over West Rose.

Um, and I, I guess it should have been evident to me because this, it's all literally in the title, game of Thrones, is literally about political games between all the different Thrones and West Rose and House of Dragons is literally about the One Dragon family. Um, and not much else. And it, you know, it, it all takes place in King's Landing.

Um, you know, and, and, and, and again, also speaking of opening credits, like the opening credits of Game of Thrones went all over the entire map of West Ross and showed all these different, uh, families. Whereas the opening credits of the targe of the House of Dragon, it's like [00:37:00] showing this flowing all over this like, Weird structure and interacting with all these different sigils, which I guess, um, represent these different families.

Uh, but, but it's always the tar blood. Um, so yeah, I mean that's, I, I guess that would be my comparison to Game of Thrones. Um, you know, it's, I, I, I think because it deals with this royal family, it's a, it's not as, uh, relatable. Um, none of us on this call are royal, as far as I know. Uh, so it feels more elitist.

Uh, it feels a little speak for yourself except for Queen Locke. The rest of us are mere peasants. Um, but, but yeah. Uh, you know, again, unlike Game of Thrones, which dealt with many social classes, uh, tar, uh, house of Dragon is like just this elite family. Um, [00:38:00] however, House the Dragon is more compelling TV and I, and I think here's why.

It's got the same realistic edge that Game of Thrones did. It's uh, it's, it's gritty, it's filthy, it's got atmosphere, it's got dim lighting, it's raw. All of this was carried over from Game of Thrones. It's like, it's so great because they spend like millions of dollars on these sets and these costumes, and then they just bathe them in darkness and you can't even see it.

And that is beautiful. Whereas like with rings of power, it's like you get the sense that the director, they're like, we spent millions of dollars on this set and we have to show it, so let's light the entire thing. Whereas, whereas House of Dragon does not care, um, And that's what makes it so engaging, because it just feels so real.

Um, as far as character development, yes. Even though these are like elite royals, uh, the whole story is really just about their [00:39:00] base, human desires, sexuality, greed, blood lust. These are all base human desires that every human being knows and understands and deals with. And what's what makes Game of Thrones in House of Dragon so interesting is because you take these base human qualities and then you show the catastrophic effect that these things can have on entire nations.

Um, and so that, you know, to me that's why it's so great because you know, George R. Martin, he understands the human condition. Um, and you know, it, it's, these things are sort of lacking in, in rings of power. It's like, I don't really understand Gila. What, like what makes her human? I don't understand what makes Elron human.

And maybe that's the point cuz they're not humans, they're elves. Um, but, but yeah. Anyway, I'm ranting Bear Doda jitsu, Zay [00:40:00] comments on House of Dragon.

Dotta: I don't know. I just like

Lachness: the narrative. It's super compelling and you're emotionally driven and emotionally invested by some of the decisions as they go on. And

Dotta: uh,

Lachness: I feel like they don't have as much killing as in like the last go around. But they say if you have the three F's in any good cinematic movie, it'll have an effect on the crowd.

And that's food fighting and

Dotta: fucking so

Elf: they do of that,

Lachness: I.

In fantasy. So I guess there's four Fs,

Elf: Zay. I'm going. That's great. Uh, relay that to our comic book writer after Wizard Wednesday. That's fantastic. Um, yeah. Jitsu Locke. Give a hoot. You just came up. Hey.

Lachness: Hey. How's it going everyone? Hey, um, happy Wizard Wednesday. So, so I'm just gonna come out. [00:41:00] I didn't do my homework.

I'm a, I'm a terrible student. I'm gonna go to detention. But, um, I, I have a, I guess a unique perspective. I mean, I've heard what we've been saying about House or Dragons. Um, I like, like most people, um, loved, loved like the first five seasons of Game of Thrones and then was stead like very, very intensely disappointed by the last, the final seasons, right?

And so, um, I took that as like, I could, like, I could, I can't forget how mad I was at how the show ended, um, leading, you know, at the very end and also leading up to it, right? Like the show has completely changed. It, it turned, it was like, it went from like this amazing, gritty story to like a Marvel movie.

Like Yep. And Hey Marvel, I love Marvel movies, what they are, but that's not why I was watching Game of Thrones. So, um, so are we, are, is everyone here kind of saying that um, [00:42:00] like House of Dragons is different than those final seasons? Like and is it House of Dragons is good. Okay. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to compare cuz I agree with you.

Like I'm, the last few seasons of Game of Thrones were disappointment, I think, for a lot of people. But, um, this one seems to be. Mm. Really in sync with what it's trying to accomplish. And as long as it isn't just like, I mean, it's season one though, right? Who knows how long it goes. But,

Elf: um, it's, and

Dotta: it's pretty different too, right?

Like, there it's a lot less like gruesome. It's a lot less sadistic. It's, it's, right. And it's a lot more focused on just sort of one family, right? Um, and like, you know, the King Vices, he basically starts out and you're like, not really sure, like, is he good? Is he bad? Is he, and, and really what you just sort of find as it goes is like he's just trying to do his best for what, what's for his family?

He's flawed. Um, and I think that, that they do a good job at kind of like, um, showing the ins and outs of what that might mean as, as the king. And, but [00:43:00] I do hear what you're saying, uh, elf around this idea that it's a bit like elitist. Like that was kind of the reason why I could never really get into like succession, cuz it was sort of this like, um,

Elf: Like rich people

Dotta: problems.

Like it was like a less funny arrested development, right? Where you're just like, you guys are all fighting over who gets your dad's company. Like, I just can't get into that.

Elf: Um, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's true. I, I, I'm not attracted to stories with elitist characters that often, but I mean, to me, the way you write them in a, an engaging way is you have to give them the exact same base needs, wants and desires as every other human on earth.

Um, and, and, and to me, where elitist drama becomes interesting is then you show how those base desires affect, have catastrophic effect on whole societies and nations. Um, in that, that's how they're dragging me.

Dotta: Oh, I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but like, I love that the like time [00:44:00] progression.

Like that's, I always love stories that kind of, um, that kind of are told over like a long period of time. Um, like there's that Ethan Hawk film, um, what is it? It's like before Sunset? Before Sunrise? Uh, yep. Where they basically have a series of, you know, it's a series of movies where it's basically just, you know, just the two of them talking for the whole movie and, um, and, and then the story progresses over the, like whatever, whatever it is, four movies, you know, by decades.

And I, I love that I, it's like very kind of, uh, a risky choice to be able to kind of like show characters over that long period of time. And I think that's really

Elf: engaging. Yep. Uh, big Bridge. Did you had your hand up a second ago? Uh. Oh

Lachness: yeah, gibe, who just brought up one of the main talking points I hear people go at Game of Thrones for, which is like the, uh, audience expectations from the first five seasons.

And then, you know, it just not meeting those [00:45:00] expectations as it moved to wrap the whole thing up because Georgia r Martin never wrote those books, so they had to figure out how do we wrap this up? How do we, you know, move on to the next thing we've passed the source material. So yeah, I just find it like really interesting talking point in relation to managing your audience expectations and just figuring out where your, where your work ends and after having, after having such popularity.

Elf: Yep, for sure. And, and that's probably why House of Dragons is so good because now they have George r Martin's source, source material to work with again. Um, uh, nad What's up man? Hey Colt. Can you guys hear me? Yep.

Lachness: Great. Um, yeah, just wanted to comment on House of Dragons. Um, I really like that show. And, uh, you brought up an interesting point about just the grittiness of it.

I'm just wondering how important do you think the visuals are, um, for the, like captivating an audience? Uh, because I think equally the [00:46:00] storyline and the, the plot of Game of Thrones and House of Dragons is just equally compelling. So I mean, if it was like, lit up and if the effects were all seen, do you think that it would not have done as well?

Elf: Uh, that's an interesting question. I, I mean, you know, when I say grittiness, I'm certainly talking about like the, the visual grittiness. But I, I'm also talking about like the, the character grittiness. Like these characters have grit in filth and they act in very amoral ways. Um, and so, I mean the, the grittiness as it operates on all those levels certainly adds an edge of believability.

But if, if, if it was all lit and cleaned and, and everybody had nice haircuts, uh, would it be as good? Um, I mean, obviously the storylines and the characters would remain intact, but, but no, I, I think it would certainly distract, uh, [00:47:00] from the excellent storylines.

Dotta: Yeah.

Lachness: I don't know if you, uh, watched the Sandman series or Yeah.

Sandman, uh, series. But I feel like that was a, a series that was very gritty and plot and concept and themes. But I mean, everyone had perfect hair. So the glowy effect track it a bit, um, from the overall impact. But I still, I still watch it and I would probably recommend the, the cult to watch

Elf: it cuz it's really good storyteller.

Yep. Yep.

Lachness: Right on. Keep, I'm thinking of Star Wars. Like Star Wars is like the prime example of like what could have been but isn't going to be, maybe I upset people with that statement, but if like HBO got the right to Star Wars and applied what they're doing with Game of Thrones into the Star Wars universe, we'd have a, like a really great Star Wars in my opinion.

Recent Star Wars have fallen really flat. The best one is actually solo. Well, I like solo because the very beginning you adventure into like the depths of like that gangster town where you like run into that [00:48:00] huge like alien mob boss there for like five minutes. But it's hold so much story and so much roller, of course of five minutes that I've seen in any of the newer Star Wars.

So maybe that's like that grittiness that just like isn't there. But I know I kept on thinking of Star Wars for some reason.

Elf: Um, yeah. Barry, you ha you said you haven't watched House of Dragon, right?

Bearsnake: No, I, I've, yeah, like mostly through the first episode. Um, And I, I think I was talking about how I've just been sort of in the head space of more like lean back, like let it wash over me rather than like lean in and really pay attention.

I think I'm pretty distracted these days. Like on my phone, even when I'm watching television and ring rings, rings like, is easier to do that than with dragons. Yeah. Um, and like for me, I, I know that like I was really into Game of Thrones the first couple episodes, but what what ended up happening to me is there was so much time [00:49:00] in between the seasons and, and I, and I had never, I didn't read the books and so for me it was like picking up on very complex multiple storylines and then just feeling like I have to like, reeducate myself because I hadn't read the books.

Um, and I sort of fell off towards the end of that series. Um, what's interesting is, is like if, you know, we're having this discussion and I think we're like, like. Bringing into focus how these two shows tell stories differently. If I had to like, categorize our, the show that we're developing with Derek, I actually think it would f i Maybe you think I'm, you know, disagree with me, please.

It feels like it. It's more on the level of rings than it is on dragons.

Elf: I would disagree. Um, I mean, I mean,

Dotta: depends. It depends on what layer you're talking [00:50:00] about. Exactly. I do think, I think what he's referring to is like the ensemble ness and like, here's the, here's the thing where I think, let, let me, I know you have a lot to say about that, but let me just say one thing.

Sure. No,

Bearsnake: talk over all you

Dotta: want. I don't, I that, that like how the, the problem is is that like with Laura rings by Amazon, they have an entire world to build, right? They have to draw their, a very big circle of being like, okay, we all know you saw Peter Jackson, but we're actually gonna like shoot a comic, uh, uh, a comet over the entire, like middle earth.

And you have to watch all these little cut scenes cuz we need to re-show you like what the world looks like, what our middle earth looks like. Like they have to establish those shots because we don't know that yet. We have to like, Get over what Zay was saying, which is like, I'm not familiar with these, like, new hobbits, right?

Whereas like Haus, the Dragons is like, you already know, like you basically know the world. You we're still hbo you, you're just like, it's the prequel, but like you still get what's going on here. So we can, we can zoom in on one family in one [00:51:00] location. So I, I do think that our show is gonna have to have the comet that shoots over the entire, like, map.

So you can have those cut scenes, you can show people a lot of different areas. I mean,

Bearsnake: it's gonna be, it's in the trailer. It's in the trailer,

Elf: yeah. Yeah, it is. Um,

Dotta: and so, and you will have to have the kind of this like ensemble

Elf: of like a lot of different characters being

Dotta: introduced upfront because like, you know, we're not just gonna necessarily follow one family for the whole season.

So I, I, that's where I think that I would say, I can see what Bayer is saying, but yeah, no, elf, go ahead and, and kind of differentiate.

Elf: Well, I, I'm actually curious what, could you elaborate on what you meant by that bear?

Bearsnake: Well, I think Doda is kind of hitting it, right? It's like we don't have an entire, uh, book series that represents a lot of what's going on.

Right. I think that the, and that's what's beautiful, right? Cause we're doing it a different way, which is why this whole experiment and project is so exciting. I think [00:52:00] it's like you have to, you know, the best stories, uh, especially film and TV do a really good job at balancing sort of world building while creating, uh, a sense, a sense of intimacy with a number of characters.

And so I think we just, we have a, we're gonna ha we have a lot of ground to cover to just sort of lay the groundwork for what world we're in. Like what is the universe and what are the rules? And, and we're gonna, and I think we're gonna find out about those rules through a number of. Sort of perspectives and characters.

And I think, I think where it does feel like Dragons is this idea where you have you, you're not just gonna like this one person or three people, we're gonna split her off. And, and, and it's all gonna sort of tie together eventually. And so I think that maybe that's where it feels a little bit more dragons here.

Game of

Elf: Thrones. [00:53:00] Uh, I, I guess I, I'm not sure what you guys mean because Rings of Power does have a big world. It is. It's already an established world that's massive. And it's been massive for like the past a hundred years. Um, and audiences do know what Middle Earth and Nu Manor and all of that stuff already is.

Bearsnake: Um, well, but I think they, but, but I think the difference is, is they made that show knowing that they will already have the attention. Of the core fan base of Tolkien, what they're trying to do is to create a world that draws in people that maybe weren't as, uh, interested in, in what's past. Mm-hmm. You know, so they're trying to cast a wider net.

Whether that's good or bad can be debated, but I think that's, that's what they're

Elf: trying to do. Yeah. I I, I don't, I'm not sure if, uh, the show where the universe is really [00:54:00] analogous to either Game of Thrones or lore the Rings. Um, if, if you want my take on exactly what it is in, in relation to those, it's, it's got the, uh, the human and the human element and the believability and the realism of, uh, game of Thrones or Song of Ice and Fire.

It's got the political intrigue. It's got, uh, the well-researched history. It's got, um, just everything that. Uh, defines George r Martin's work as, as, uh, just believable and, and almost historical. That's, that's what I wanna carry over to the universe because as I, as we always say, the universe is a reflection of the real world.

So of course, that's gonna happen in any media expression that we do, in terms of its relation to Lord of the Rings or rings of power. Uh, I, I will say that Tolkien's legendary is certainly more rich and varied and [00:55:00] has like more creatures and more magical elements and more, um, just, I don't know, maybe it's a little more fun.

It's a, it's almost a, it, I, you know, I guess The Hobbit was written for children, so it's, it's got that like whimsical base, uh, from which it was developed, and I think the univer certainly has that variety and richness and just gigantic ecosystem of archetypes from which we can create. Uh, you know, that's, that's sort of the, the parallels I see with these two properties.

Um, but anyway, uh, do we have a lore reading today? Yeah. I saw in the secret tower that Emma maybe wants to read some lo I don't know if that's true. Yeah. If you

Dotta: still want to Emma, uh, request up.

Elf: Um, or do we have any other questions, comments, uh, concerns? Observations on, uh, rings of power or, uh, house of Dragon?

I feel like [00:56:00] there's so many opinions out there, but nobody's coming up to offer them.

Lachness: Yeah. I just hope HBO buys the rights to lower the rings at some point and does their own take. That's all I wish for.

Elf: And, and

Bearsnake: they were actually bought up, they were bought up by a company, uh, a month or two ago. All really e for Middle Earth was bought by, uh, gosh, I can't remember the name of the company, but they're like a merchandising.

A merchandising company, uh, first and foremost.

Lachness: Oh, interesting. And

Bearsnake: they paid like two, $3 billion for it, which I thought strange considering like it was the same exact moment that, um, uh, rings was launching. Um, it's right. I'd be interested to see like what their plan is because they clearly don't have the rights to make, uh, a TV show.

At least not, you know, not in the short term. [00:57:00]

Elf: Right. What, uh, Magis was here, the infamous Magis was here, made this meme like almost a year ago, where I, I think he was like altering some media headline and he said, uh, Bezos is canceling Lord of the Rings. Uh, and said, fuck it. We're doing forgotten ruins or something like that.

Bearsnake: I just thought that was, but it's sounds like you really hate him, so I'll just, I guess I'll cancel,

Elf: uh, Margaret, what's up?

Lachness: Hey. Hey guys. Hey. Um, hey. Yeah, you're really lucky. I didn't do a tweet at Jeff Bezo saying that you all compared him to, to Morgo. Um, uh, I love it. Although Peter Thiel is a hundred percent Seman. Um, yes. I, yeah, I just, I mean, he calls his company Palantir and what are you gonna do? Um, yeah, I just wanted to, to talk about like what I think, uh, forgotten [00:58:00] Ruins is like in terms of other legendary, I don't think it's like Game of Thrones or like Tolkiens.

Um, sure. I think it's, it's a little bit more like, you know, Rothfus, um, Uh, who are still waiting to bring the rest of his books out of the King Killer, uh, series. Um, and also, you know, stuff like Wheel of Time, uh, Anne Book of the Fallen and some really classic stuff. But the other one that I thought of, uh, which is actually really schlocky but is a really deep world is Anne McCaffrey's porn series cause Oh yeah, yeah.

Cuz that has magic, but then at the bottom mm-hmm. Is the science fiction origin of the entire world. Um, and so when I'm wandering around looking for those fricking frogs and I'm seeing crashed airplanes and stuff. Yep, yep. Uh, that made me think a little bit about the kind of, Origins of some of this magic, the the science fiction physics.

So, uh, that was, that was just my [00:59:00] thoughts. Um, yeah, that's basically all I say.

Bearsnake: I agree with you. I, the other one that comes, I think that falls into that bucket is, uh, arcane on Netflix, the Riot Game Show. If I'm not sure if you've seen that.

Elf: I, I still need to watch that. That

Lachness: show is amazing.

Bearsnake: It's so good.

I'm watching it for a second time right now. Yeah, I watched it.

Elf: Elf is really good. Okay.

Dotta: Okay.

Bearsnake: We had him, we had a couple meetings with, um, one of the executive producers on that show. He was like one of the first, uh, four or five employees at Riot and then ended up sort of really leading the charge on that show.

And it was just so interesting to hear sort of the story behind how that came to be and how they wanted to represent, uh, you know, that, that IP of, of League, but. Make it feel, um, standing on its own. And, uh, gosh, I just, visually it's beautiful every [01:00:00] frame. I like, if I could, if I had a wall big enough, I would frame every frame and put it up on the wall.

It's just, it's so gorgeous. But it balances that magic and technology I think really well.

Lachness: So. Well, the style is, I've never seen anything like it. Yeah. Yeah. When I, when, when I imagine the Blue Wizards, I imagine like the magic tech they use in arcane, for sure. Hell yeah. Well,

Elf: damn. Sounds good. Okay. Um, well, uh, Emma, uh, welcome to Wizard Wednesday.

I think this might be the first time you've come up,

Bearsnake: Emma. Yeah,

Lachness: this is, uh,

Dotta: this

Elf: is my first time. Welcome, welcome. Do you have a, uh, law reading for us today? I

Dotta: have something random.

Lachness: If you guys don't have anything specific

Elf: you want to hear, let's hear something random.

Dotta: Okay, cool.

Lachness: This is for Wizard 6 8

Dotta: 88.

Uh, Ark Magician Aldis.

Lachness: I think this is a good one for all [01:01:00] the star, uh, star Wars talk. We're just going through. Uh, have you ever heard the triumph of Ark magician Aldis? I thought not. It's not a story. The wood nim wood nims would tell you it's a Nome legend, a pretty awesome one at that. So who is Aldi?

You ask Fabulous question. He was the greatest no mags to have ever lived. Well, he's still alive if we're being quite honest. The thing is, Aldis went off the deep end many, many moons ago. So the story goes, and no one's really sure where he buggered off to. But before

Dotta: buggering off, he really

Lachness: left behind quite a legacy.

Though a Nome, he only ever spoke in cobalt and regularly kept cobalt companions much to the chagrin of literally every other Nome Cobalts were known for snacking on nos and all this showed no remorse for those that got munched on. So you can imagine many nomes got ganged. He was also the foremost expert on mating rituals of a very specific species of symbio.

While there was none in the realm, even remotely interested in this knowledge, he [01:02:00] diligently set forth, determined not to let a thing like necessary research get in the way. He never did publish his findings, but he was trusted at his word. What really made Alda special was the love he had for his family above all else.

And though his offspring were also cobalts intended to eat everything, he was quite proud of them and would often show them off to friends and other noms. This may or may not have resulted in a few large scale war among the nos, but what's a little bloodshed in the name of your Cobalt family? It's very important to note that even though Aldis was very loyal to his cobal compatriots, the cobalts as a species really weren't too fond of him either.

In many Cobal villages, there was a wanted sign with his face, often insisting dead, not alive. Eventually, Aldis would go on to settle down in the fungal forests of the Feig, and while he wasn't really welcome in the Faye. His cobal companions made sure no one else would get close enough to complain.

Overall, establishing quite a fantastic legacy and giving g nos or giving them something [01:03:00] really the question is who wasn't Aldis?

Elf: That's okay. There are several things I love about this piece of lore. Um, number one, the use of the phrase bugger off. Excellent. Um, and I believe you also said ganged. Am I, am I correct? Yeah. Okay. Well done. Yeah. I, I love, uh, I was telling my, the comic writer this today. I am, I'm really into this, uh, introducing just like alternative vernacular into the universe.

Um, I would love for everybody to do that as much as possible. Um, also, I love that you are bringing gnomes into, uh, this lore, because I'm gonna assume you're not talking about fomes, you're talking about more the traditional gnomes.

Dotta: Uh, yeah.

Lachness: I was commissioned to write this and he had a Nome head, so I went with

Elf: it.

Okay. Wait, so wait, so, so is it, it it is for noms then? [01:04:00] No, it's a traditional Nome. Traditional Nome. Wait, do we have a Nome head in the collection?

Dotta: Yeah. Check

Elf: for Tower Man. I, no, nothing about the universe. Um, okay. No, no. It

Dotta: had, uh, Sandman.

Lachness: I might have just made it up, but listen,

Dotta: we'll go with

Elf: it. Okay. Okay.

Okay. And then thirdly, I just. You know, any drama between cobalts and gnomes and phenoms and goblins, like, like the, the, the funnier characters of the universe, uh, is just excellent content. Um, and I've, I've loved that you've inserted your wizard into the middle of all this drama.

Bearsnake: Yeah, I love that.

Cobalt's eat, eating nos. It makes sense,

Lachness: right, Tracy? Yeah, definitely Every Saturday.

Elf: Um, Emma. Awesome. Thank you. That was an excellent uh, Genesis Lo piece. [01:05:00] Um, so yeah, any come back anytime.

Lachness: Um,

Elf: and with that, I believe, uh, wizard Wednesday is over. This has been Bear Snake, JIT,

jits Cobs,

Lachness: the three Fs channeling out from the.